Minutes of Working Group 2 Meeting > ---------------------------------- > Tuesday 24th September 2002, University of York, York > > Present: > Phil Evans(Chairperson) MRC LMB > Alun Ashton Daresbury/CCP4 > Charles Ballard Daresbury/CCP4 > Peter Briggs Daresbury/CCP4 > Christine Cardin Reading > Eleanor Dodson York > Sheila Gover Oxford > Maeri Howard Eales Daresbury/CCP4 > Joe Jaeger Leeds > Eugene Krissinel EBI/CCP4 > Fei Long York > Katherine McAuley Daresbury > Airlie McCoy CIMR > Stuart McNicholas York/CCP4 > Pryank Patel Daresbury/CCP4 > Liz Potterton York/CCP4 > Harry Powell LMB > Jim Raftery Manchester > Ian Tickle Astex > Swen H.Tromm EBI > Alexei Vagin York > Keith Wilson York > Jan White Sheffield > Martyn Winn Daresbury/CCP4 > > Apologies: Nicholas Keep, Taduesz Skarzynski > > 1. Minutes of 26 June were discussed. JW discussed adding a help function > that would list all the parameters and defaults > within programs such as REFMAC. After discussion with ED and PE, PE said > that there needed to be more guidance with the authors as > to which parameters would need to be hidden. JW said that as a half > way point, could it list the parameters that should be changed. > KW said that they needed to be made a constant. PE confirmed that you > can only discourage users to use old scripts. > > The minutes were accepted after discussion. > > 2. CCP4 Molecular Graphics Program Demonstration (previously noted as number 7 in the agenda) LP/SM > > LP demonstrated the MG package. Liz demonstrated > the different functions and what the output looks like. > > LP also demonstrated it using CLIPPER. PE said that sigma should not be > used. > > LP also showed how to bring up a previously created script, showed how to change it. > > LP confirmed that there were alot of little things that needed to be > tidyed up (movies etc). > > PE asked for a schedule of release. LP said that work needed to be done on how to distribute it and this needed to be addressed. LP said that in the next week or so, they should make it available to York on Linux. They would like to get it out with the next CCP4 release however, it needed to be as useable as possible and if it means that it misses the release in order for it to be correct it was more important. LW asked for more information on graphic cards and stereo. SM confirmed that including stereo would be difficult and PE said that it needed to be addressed at some point in the development of it. > > ED asked what was happening with the appointment as they have received no news on how to move it forward. MHE will chase Neil for confirmation of what needs to be done > > PE asked that someone else besides the developers should take a stab at it. > > 3. Study Weekend (previously noted as number 2 in the agenda) Airlie > > There were only a few sections of the schedule that holes in it and discussed people that topics to fill the gaps. > > There was also lengthy discussion as to how to get people to submit and it was agreed that it would consider holding back the funding for speakers until > papers had been submitted. It was agreed that this would be confirmed before the next SW (SW 2004) so that the speakers would know this in when accepting their place. > > 4. BioMed college reorganisation > > MW gave a brief overview as to the anticipated changes within the new structure and how it would affect CCP4. The line management as it stands is to change and Martyn said to ignore any rumours to the contrary. > > 5. Conferences/Workshops for 2003 > > MW said that there were two issues a: one is who is willing to go the the conferences that they have been suggested and b: if we can, should we setup one day workshops as the appropropriate conference. > > The ones specifically mentioned were: > Durban (South Africa) > AScA (Australia) > > It was agreed that this was to be firmed up outside of this meeting. > > 6. Date of the next meeting was agreed for the 22nd of January, to be held at Birkbeck. > > 7. Plans for CCP4 4.3 (or 5.0) PJB > > PB said that he would like this to release 5.0 due to the inclusion of the libraries,which was a major enough addition to consider it being 5.0. > > Peter went over the history of what happened in 4.2 that could be used to make the release of 5.0 go more smoothly and in keeping with the timescale he envisioned. Major points covered included: > > - more discussion this time with contributors so that there is a > general understanding as to whom needs to so what by when. He also said that developers need to be aware that they cannot submit bug changes after the deadline as it causes real delays. > > -Better communication is needed with external developers. > > -Better communication is needed with the test sites. > > -Peter also said that he is happy to accept any suggestions as to how to make the next release better and that they should make contact with Pete with these suggestions. > > PJB reviewed his three month schedule for the public release. > > There was also a rough list of what the new components would be to 5.0. > See Peter's notes for a breakdown of the list. > > PE stressed that if something is submitted with a serious bug than the CCP4 people have the right to say that they will not accept it. > 8. Release of the libraries MDW > > MW have an overview of the libraries. > > Beta release is set for 16 October. > > PE raised concern about dependancies and questioned whether it was worth considering using an package installation manager. > > CCTBX was discussed. Martyn said that he had permission from Phoenix to distribute it but this then raised the question of who would support it. > > 9. MOSFLM and DNA HP > > A quick demo as to how far Graeme has got with the MOSFLM GUI. It is loosely based on the CCP4i programme. He confirmed that there was still some work for Graeme to be doing. He said that for those that run RedHat and Suse, it was ready for an Alpha release. Asked for as much feedback as possible. > > The DNA project is going along nicely. He confirmed that a meeting will be held next week and one of the main items is to discuss changing it from DNA to another name. > > Graeme will be leaving the MOSFLM project as he now has a position in Daresbury. > > 10.Co-ordinate libraries EK > > EK discussed the four major changes in MMDB have taken place in the last month and a half. > > LP asked for more information on small working databases. > EK said that he does not think that anything substantial has been done on this. > > 11. AOB > > No AOB was raised. >